From apasulka@admin.housing.uiuc.edu Wed Sep 10 11:39:27 1997 Received: from ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.16]) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02698 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.15]) by ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29096 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.16]) by mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20363 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.43]) by ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29092 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA28194 for djhoward@ncsa.uiuc.edu; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from admin.housing.uiuc.edu (admin.housing.uiuc.edu [130.126.186.15]) by dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28088 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:38:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: by admin.housing.uiuc.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCBDDD.F5628D70@admin.housing.uiuc.edu>; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:37:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.4a@dwarf.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Pasulka, Andy" To: "'tbaylis@ncsa.uiuc.edu'" Cc: "Courtney, Kathryn" , "'djhoward@uiuc.edu'" , "Foltz, Gina" Subject: FW: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:37:45 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-Status: A Content-Length: 2458 Lines: 74 Dear Mr. Baylis: I received this message from one of your student employees. Please let him know that even when he is not working at NCSA, he represents NCSA and the University of Illinois at large. The nature of his comments is unconstructive. Please speak to him. He is obviously very young. Andrew Pasulka Computer Utilization Analyst II Housing Division >---------- >From: Dannyman[SMTP:djhoward@uiuc.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 9:08 AM >To: uidsa@uiuc.edu >Subject: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) > >The following message is intended for the party responsible for maintaining >your web pages. > >Please pass along a third concern, that this page is also in non-compliance >with CCSO guidelines as set forth in http://www.uiuc.edu/unit/ccnc/cnp.html >(Section 4.2e) > >Good day, >Dannyman > >-----Forwarded message from Dannyman ----- > >Message-ID: <19970910083206.52490@urh.uiuc.edu> >Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:32:06 -0500 >From: Dannyman >To: webmaster@housing.uiuc.edu >Subject: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e >X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu > >You might consider hiring human beings to write your web pages, the trained >monkeys seem to be off their guard. > >Not to strain anybody, but the two most obvious problems with this page; > >1) Squint as hard as I might, I still can't figure out what hours the Allen >Hall facility is open. > >2) & codes are terminated with a ; -- you know   ... perheps your web >browser is more error-tolerant, but Netscape Communicator is rendering things >like 11:00 AM - > 1:00 PM (Why the monkeys are >even adding this code in the first place seems a little mysterious, but oh >well ... > >I hope you all can get this straightened up! > >Have a good day, >Danny > >-- > //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- >\\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- > "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!" > >-----End of forwarded message----- > >-- > //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- >\\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- > "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!" > > From apasulka@admin.housing.uiuc.edu Wed Sep 10 14:16:58 1997 Received: from ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.16]) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03100 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.15]) by ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07589 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu [141.142.3.16]) by mx1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01043 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mx3.cso.uiuc.edu (mx3.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.24]) by ex1.ncsa.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07585 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mx3.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) id OAA17749 for djhoward@ncsa.uiuc.edu; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from admin.housing.uiuc.edu (admin.housing.uiuc.edu [130.126.186.15]) by mx3.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA17702 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:16:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: by admin.housing.uiuc.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCBDF3.EE1A39D0@admin.housing.uiuc.edu>; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.4a@mx3.cso.uiuc.edu From: "Pasulka, Andy" To: "'Dannyman'" Subject: RE: FW: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:15:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 2667 Lines: 66 Don't hold your breath, pal. I'm not apologizing to you. You started the flame war. And I'm not taking lessons on netiquette from a 'third-year' student who called me a trained monkey. I won't lose any sleep about this. I have better things to think about than your inconsequential life. And so, if you know so much about the Internet, consider this sound: . That's the sound of you entering my killfile. ANP >---------- >From: Dannyman[SMTP:djhoward@uiuc.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 12:20 PM >To: Pasulka, Andy >Subject: Re: FW: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html >(fwd) > >On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 11:37:45AM -0500, Pasulka, Andy wrote: >> Dear Mr. Baylis: >> >> I received this message from one of your student employees. Please let >> him know that even when he is not working at NCSA, he represents NCSA >> and the University of Illinois at large. The nature of his comments is >> unconstructive. >> >> Please speak to him. He is obviously very young. > >And now, please take this message as a message from a third-year student >living in Allen Hall. > >1) Your perception of NCSA based on what I say as a person should be quite >inconsequential to Mr Baylis. > >2) The nature of my comments, while rude in tone and format, was quite >arguably constructive. The cited webpage has certain glaring faults, the >least of which is non-conformance to CCSO guidelines. > >3) Your response to my concerns, especially considering your role as a staff >member responsible for addressing student concerns, was at best >unprofessional. > >4) I am sincerely offended at the tone and implications made in your message. >If I were to follow your behaviour as an example, I would be sending your >supervisors a copy of this message. As that seems peurile even to my >'obviously very young' self, I would rather await an apology. > >I would ask that in the future, you use a more constructive attitude at >addressing resident concerns. More immediately, I would like to know that the >concerns raised on my part regarding the web page in question are being >addressed by someone. You may be quick to write NCSA Administrative personnel >condescending messages, but you have not yet addressed the original inquiry >made by a resident. > >Sincerely, >Dannyman > >ObDisclaimer: The views stated in this message are not necessarily those of >NCSA, CSIL, EnterAct LLC, or the University of Illinois. > >-- > //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- >\\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- > "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!" > From dannyman Wed Sep 10 09:08:55 1997 Message-ID: <19970910090855.54470@urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:08:55 -0500 From: Dannyman To: uidsa@uiuc.edu Subject: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1841 Lines: 53 The following message is intended for the party responsible for maintaining your web pages. Please pass along a third concern, that this page is also in non-compliance with CCSO guidelines as set forth in http://www.uiuc.edu/unit/ccnc/cnp.html (Section 4.2e) Good day, Dannyman -----Forwarded message from Dannyman ----- Message-ID: <19970910083206.52490@urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:32:06 -0500 From: Dannyman To: webmaster@housing.uiuc.edu Subject: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu You might consider hiring human beings to write your web pages, the trained monkeys seem to be off their guard. Not to strain anybody, but the two most obvious problems with this page; 1) Squint as hard as I might, I still can't figure out what hours the Allen Hall facility is open. 2) & codes are terminated with a ; -- you know   ... perheps your web browser is more error-tolerant, but Netscape Communicator is rendering things like 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM (Why the monkeys are even adding this code in the first place seems a little mysterious, but oh well ... I hope you all can get this straightened up! Have a good day, Danny -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!" -----End of forwarded message----- -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!" From dannyman Wed Sep 10 12:06:56 1997 Message-ID: <19970910120656.19075@urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:06:56 -0500 From: Dan Howard - NetDev To: "Pasulka, Andy" Cc: "'tbaylis@ncsa.uiuc.edu'" Subject: Re: FW: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Pasulka, Andy on Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 11:37:45AM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1400 Lines: 33 On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 11:37:45AM -0500, Pasulka, Andy wrote: > Dear Mr. Baylis: > > I received this message from one of your student employees. Please let > him know that even when he is not working at NCSA, he represents NCSA > and the University of Illinois at large. The nature of his comments is > unconstructive. > > Please speak to him. He is obviously very young. Attn: Andy Pasulka The comments made in the message you cited were made by my person and in no way construe the views of the NCSA, CSIL, or the University of Illinois. The personal nature of these comments should have been evident in the stylistic conventions, signature, and the return address featured in the message. Whatever confusion resulting as to what parties were addressing my concerns is regrettable. For illustrative purposes, and in the interest of averting any further potential confusion, this message has been composed as I compose any other message intended to represent my role as an Undergraduate Assistant to the Network Development Group of the NCSA. Any message not featuring this signature and return address should not be construed as a message representing the NCSA. Sincerely, Danny -- //Dan -=- Dan Howard, Network Development Group -=- djhoward@ncsa.uiuc.edu \\/yori -=- Computing and Communications Division -=- 57 CAB, Tel 4-3319 NetDev web page: http://netdev.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ From dannyman Wed Sep 10 12:20:04 1997 Message-ID: <19970910122004.47314@urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:20:04 -0500 From: Dannyman To: "Pasulka, Andy" Subject: Re: FW: http://www.housing.uiuc.edu/dining/mealtimes/mt_index.html (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Pasulka, Andy on Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 11:37:45AM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Status: RO Content-Length: 1992 Lines: 45 On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 11:37:45AM -0500, Pasulka, Andy wrote: > Dear Mr. Baylis: > > I received this message from one of your student employees. Please let > him know that even when he is not working at NCSA, he represents NCSA > and the University of Illinois at large. The nature of his comments is > unconstructive. > > Please speak to him. He is obviously very young. And now, please take this message as a message from a third-year student living in Allen Hall. 1) Your perception of NCSA based on what I say as a person should be quite inconsequential to Mr Baylis. 2) The nature of my comments, while rude in tone and format, was quite arguably constructive. The cited webpage has certain glaring faults, the least of which is non-conformance to CCSO guidelines. 3) Your response to my concerns, especially considering your role as a staff member responsible for addressing student concerns, was at best unprofessional. 4) I am sincerely offended at the tone and implications made in your message. If I were to follow your behaviour as an example, I would be sending your supervisors a copy of this message. As that seems peurile even to my 'obviously very young' self, I would rather await an apology. I would ask that in the future, you use a more constructive attitude at addressing resident concerns. More immediately, I would like to know that the concerns raised on my part regarding the web page in question are being addressed by someone. You may be quick to write NCSA Administrative personnel condescending messages, but you have not yet addressed the original inquiry made by a resident. Sincerely, Dannyman ObDisclaimer: The views stated in this message are not necessarily those of NCSA, CSIL, EnterAct LLC, or the University of Illinois. -- //Dan -=- This message brought to you by djhoward@uiuc.edu -=- \\/yori -=- HOME PAGE! http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ -=- "On page 207 I finally learned how to check my E-mail with Pine!"