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		<title>Quotes: Sabbath</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2008/11/25/quotes-sabbath/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are probably from a recent issue of The Sun.
&#8220;A human being who has not a single hour for his own every day is no human being.&#8221;
&#8211;Rabbi Moshe Leib

My party had been pushing ahead at a fast pace for a number of days, and one morning when we were ready to set out, our native [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are probably from a recent issue of <a href="http://www.thesunmagazine.org/">The Sun</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A human being who has not a single hour for his own every day is no human being.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right">&#8211;Rabbi Moshe Leib</p>
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<blockquote><p>My party had been pushing ahead at a fast pace for a number of days, and one morning when we were ready to set out, our native bearers, who carried the food and equipment, were found sitting about without any preparations made for starting the day.</p>
<p>Upon being questioned, they said, quite simply, that they had been traveling so fast in these last days that they had gotten ahead of their souls and were going to stay quietly in camp for the day in order for their souls to catch up with them.</p>
<p style="text-align: right">&#8211;Andre Gide</p>
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<p>Winter makes me sluggish.</p>
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		<title>Google Opposes Gay Marriage Ban</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2008/09/28/google-opposes-gay-marriage-ban/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Go go Google!
We do not generally take a position on issues outside of our field, especially not social issues . . . however, while there are many objections to this proposition &#8212; further government encroachment on personal lives, ambiguously written text &#8212; it is the chilling and discriminatory effect of the proposition on many of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go go Google!</p>
<blockquote><p>We do not generally take a position on issues outside of our field, especially not social issues . . . however, while there are many objections to this proposition &#8212; further government encroachment on personal lives, ambiguously written text &#8212; it is the chilling and discriminatory effect of the proposition on many of our employees that brings Google to publicly oppose Proposition 8. While we respect the strongly-held beliefs that people have on both sides of this argument, we see this fundamentally as an issue of equality. We hope that California voters will vote no on Proposition 8 &#8212; <strong>we should not eliminate anyone&#8217;s fundamental rights, whatever their sexuality, to marry the person they love.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align: right">Sergey Brin,<br />
<a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/our-position-on-californias-no-on-8.html">Official Google Blog</a></p>
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		<title>Do you see a sign?</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2008/05/15/do-you-see-a-sign/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As seen on Judah:

Do you see a sign &#8220;Leave your
junk here&#8221;?  No you don&#8217;t see
a sign &#8220;Leave your junk here.&#8221;
Do you know why?  Because this
corner is not a junk yard.  Try
putting your crap in a garbage
can.
There is a certain practice in San Francisco of people disposing of unwanted stuff by leaving it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As seen on Judah:</p>
<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dannyman/2493606805/" title="&quot;I couldn't agree more&quot; by dannyman, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/2493606805_12fc4387f8.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="&quot;I couldn't agree more&quot;" border=0 /></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Do you see a sign &#8220;Leave your<br />
junk here&#8221;?  No you don&#8217;t see<br />
a sign &#8220;Leave your junk here.&#8221;<br />
Do you know why?  Because this<br />
corner is not a junk yard.  Try<br />
putting your crap in a garbage<br />
can.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a certain practice in San Francisco of people disposing of unwanted stuff by leaving it on the curb.  Alas, for stuff that nobody wants, that means crap piling up on sidewalks.  Someone expressed their disapproval in the form of <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/quotes">an homage to Quentin Tarantino</a>.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>Choose an Adventure</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2008/04/29/choose-an-adventure/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The art of having adventures is simply that of saying, “Wow, that is dang cool!” and then having the courage to let go of all the doubts and the what-ifs long enough to grab hold of the adventure and go, trusting that you’ll be able to solve problems along the way. This is just as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The art of having adventures is simply that of saying, “Wow, that is dang cool!” and then having the courage to let go of all the doubts and the what-ifs long enough to grab hold of the adventure and go, trusting that you’ll be able to solve problems along the way. This is just as true in the creative arts as it is in adventure travel.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right"><a href="http://travelingtiger.com/blog/2008/04/29/on-choosing-adventure/">Tien Chiu</a></p>
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		<title>Revenge?  Forgive?  Forget!</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2008/03/30/revenge-forgive-forget/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA["When I was in Germany just after the war," he said, "I never heard a word spoken against Hitler.  In Berlin, the Germans said to me" -- now he spoke in German -- "'Well, what do you think of our ruins?' The Germans like to be pitied -- isn't that horrible?  They showed me their ruins.  They wanted me to pity them.  But why should I indulge them?  I said" -- he uttered the sentence in German -- "'I have seen London.'"]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;So you don&#8217;t approve of getting even &#8212; of taking revenge for something that was done to you?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Revenge does not alter what was done to you.  Neither does forgiveness.  Revenge and forgiveness are irrelevant.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What can you do?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Forget,&#8221; said Borges.  &#8220;That is all you can do.  When something bad is done to me, I pretend that it happened a long time ago, to someone else.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Does that work?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;More or less.&#8221;  He showed his yellow teeth.  &#8220;Less rather than more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Talking about the futility of revenge, he reached and his hands trembled with a new subject, but a related one, the Second World War.</p>
<p>&#8220;When I was in Germany just after the war,&#8221; he said, &#8220;I never heard a word spoken against Hitler.  In Berlin, the Germans said to me&#8221; &#8212; now he spoke in German &#8212; &#8220;&#8216;Well, what do you think of our ruins?&#8217; The Germans like to be pitied &#8212; isn&#8217;t that horrible?  They showed me their ruins.  They wanted me to pity them.  But why should I indulge them?  I said&#8221; &#8212; he uttered the sentence in German &#8212; &#8220;&#8216;I have seen London.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right">Jorge Luis Borges speaking with Paul Theroux<br />
_The Old Patagonian Express_</p>
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<p>Revenge has its appeal, but I don&#8217;t think it helps.  We use the expression &#8220;forgive and forget&#8221; but the concern is that certain things should not be forgotten.  I figure it is better to forget than to have difficulty stuck in your heart.  I think I&#8217;d say &#8220;forgive, if you can, draw a lesson from the memory, and then move on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Try to remember the circumstances and what happened, and that you felt a certain pain and whatnot, perhaps with great intensity.  The pain itself, the &#8220;pain memory&#8221; I would leave behind, if you can.  We are fools to forget, but we are foolish too to react in the present to pain from the past.</p>
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		<title>Colin Powell: Close Guantánamo</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2007/09/11/colin-powell-close-guantanamo/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is exciting, inspiring, and hopeful, to hear a conservative like Colin Powell speaking like this:
Let’s welcome every foreign student we can get our hands on. Let’s make sure that foreigners come to the Mayo Clinic here, and not the Mayo facility in Dubai or somewhere else. Let’s make sure people come to Disney World [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is exciting, inspiring, and hopeful, to hear a conservative like <a href="http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5900&#038;pageNum=3">Colin Powell speaking like this</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Let’s welcome every foreign student we can get our hands on. Let’s make sure that foreigners come to the Mayo Clinic here, and not the Mayo facility in Dubai or somewhere else. Let’s make sure people come to Disney World and not throw them up against the wall in Orlando simply because they have a Muslim name. Let’s also remember that this country was created by immigrants and thrives as a result of immigration, and we need a sound immigration policy.</p>
<p>Let’s show the world a face of openness and what a democratic system can do. That’s why I want to see Guantánamo closed. It’s so harmful to what we stand for. We literally bang ourselves in the head by having that place. What are we doing this to ourselves for? Because we’re worried about the 380 guys there? Bring them here! Give them lawyers and habeas corpus. We can deal with them. We are paying a price when the rest of the world sees an America that seems to be afraid and is not the America they remember.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen!  Let&#8217;s stop hiding behind an Iron Curtain of Fear.</p>
<blockquote><p>Are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>(<a href="http://www.cnewmark.com/2007/09/colin-powell.html">Thanks, Craig Newmark.</a>)</p>
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		<title>Grownups Walk</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2007/08/20/grownups-walk/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Little boys love machines.  Grown-up men and women like to walk.&#8221;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Little boys love machines.  Grown-up men and women like to walk.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right">&#8211;Edward Abbey</p>
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		<title>Quote: Giving Light</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2007/08/04/viktor-frankl/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 00:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;What is to give light must endure burning.&#8221;
&#8211;Viktor Frankl
From &#8220;The Sun&#8221; March, 2007




I read this quote shortly after a significant personal setback.  I believe the author is alluding to the Holocaust, which puts things in perspective.  For me, the take-away is that if you want to shine, you must be ready to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;What is to give light must endure burning.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right">&#8211;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Frankl">Viktor Frankl</a><br />
From &#8220;The Sun&#8221; March, 2007</p>
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<p>I read this quote shortly after a significant personal setback.  I believe the author is alluding to the Holocaust, which puts things in perspective.  For me, the take-away is that if you want to shine, you must be ready to be burned.</p>
<p>I had rushed in to marriage, and consequently took a conservative approach to feeling my own love and expressing it.  I figured we should take things slow.  I got burnt anyway.  Nowadays . . . I&#8217;ll give patience its due, but I must shoot for giving light.  Keep the senses keen for that flame within, and if it seems right, throw gas on the fire . . .</p>
<p>. . . and be prepared to endure burning.</p>
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		<title>Bleak</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA["The coldest Winter I ever knew was a summer in San Francisco."]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The coldest Winter I ever knew was a summer in San Francisco.&#8221;</p>
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<p>It has been overcast, chilly and wet in my neighborhood throughout July.  Monday the sun came out for about an hour in the morning, then again at sunset.  I ran out of the house when that happened but it was too late in the day to get much sun.  The midwesterner in me reminds myself that this is a temporary and &#8220;symbolic&#8221; Winter, without the snow.  It is just weird the way the seasons work when you live adjacent to the Pacific Ocean.</p>
<p>(No, I&#8217;m not actually depressed.  Well, this gray does make me blue, and that is why I am conscientious about getting out doors any time the clouds break.  I am supposed to be starting work next week, so I should be getting more sun during the week.)</p>
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		<title>Marriage: Two Perspectives</title>
		<link>http://dannyman.toldme.com/2007/07/02/marriage-socrates-ferber-campbell-fellini/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The morning of July 2, I have arrived at the last page of June&#8217;s &#8220;The Sun&#8221; and find an occasion to chuckle:

&#8220;By all means marry: if you get a good wife, you&#8217;ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you&#8217;ll become a philosopher.&#8221;
&#8211;Socrates

Socrates is a mortal.  And so am I.

&#8220;Wasn&#8217;t marriage, like life [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The morning of July 2, I have arrived at the last page of June&#8217;s &#8220;The Sun&#8221; and find an occasion to chuckle:</p>
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&#8220;By all means marry: if you get a good wife, you&#8217;ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you&#8217;ll become a philosopher.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8211;Socrates</p>
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<p>Socrates is a mortal.  And so am I.</p>
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&#8220;Wasn&#8217;t marriage, like life itself, unstimulating and unprofitable and somewhat empty when too well-ordered and protected and guarded.  Wasn&#8217;t it finer, more splendid, more nourishing when it was, like life itself, a mixture of the sordid and the magnificent; of mud and stars; of earth and flowers; of love and hate and laughter and tears and ugliness and beauty and hurt.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8211;Edna Ferber</p>
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<p>It was.</p>
<p>Yes, the title says &#8220;Two Perspectives&#8221; but we wouldn&#8217;t want this content to be too well-ordered, yeah?  Here&#8217;s an assertion that I know many would take exception to.<span id="more-1284"></span>  But it is a sentiment that I believe is useful:</p>
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&#8220;Marriage is not a love affair.  A love affair has to do with immediate personal satisfaction.  Marriage is an ordeal; it means yielding, time and again.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a sacrament: you give up your personal simplicity to participate.  And you are not giving to the other person; you are giving to the relationship.  Because you are not giving to the other person it is not impoverishing &#8212; it is life-building, life-fostering, enriching.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8211;Joseph Campbell</p>
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<p>Looking at it now, I&#8217;d say Joe&#8217;s quote pairs well with Edna: it is most rewarding when you cut loose and give without reservation.  When you give not because you judge the other as deserving, but because it is right and therefor rewarding.  Ah, and since I&#8217;m quoting people, I&#8217;ll have to toss at you a quote on my whiteboard that was transcribed from the radio:</p>
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&#8220;The is no end.  No beginning.  There is only the passion of life.&#8221;</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8211;Federico Fellini</p>
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		<title>RIP: Hunter S. Thompson</title>
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		<title>A Digression</title>
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From: lotus@staff.uiuc.edu (Matthew Ivaliotes)
Newsgroups: uiuc.general
Subject: Re: University of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign Mascot
Date: 15 Mar 1998 01:07:12 GMT
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&#62;Who says we have to have the Chief as a mascot?  I mean, we can have a
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<p>From: <a href="mailto:lotus@staff.uiuc.edu">lotus@staff.uiuc.edu</a> (Matthew Ivaliotes)<br />
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Subject: Re: University of Illinois/Urbana-Champaign Mascot<br />
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<p>Kyle Levenhagen &lt;levenhag@NOSPAM.uiuc.edu&gt; writes:</p>
<p>&gt;Who says we have to have the Chief as a mascot?  I mean, we can have a<br />
&gt;different mascot and still be the Fighting Illini.  Possibly the best<br />
&gt;example would be the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL&#8230; they have a WOLF<br />
&gt;as a mascot, for cryin&#8217; out loud.  Why can&#8217;t we have a big, plush<br />
&gt;squirrel (I&#8217;m thinking of Rocky, from &#8220;Rocky and Bullwinkle&#8221; here), or<br />
&gt;something?  It would make some sense, too, considering how many of those<br />
&gt;damned things we&#8217;ve got running around here.</p>
<p>I could live with us being the Fighting Illini and getting rid of the dork in the costume and the music from a cowboy movie.  Then again, I am of the very strong opinion that all team names with gerunds in them are inherently dorky.  If the name itself doesn&#8217;t strike fear into your opponents&#8217; hearts, adding &#8216;fighting&#8217; to it won&#8217;t help, and just points out how unintimidating you are.</p>
<p>And for fashion considerations, I&#8217;d like something a bit more aesthetically pleasing than that round, physically improbably head-in-a-headress symbol which is in ever-waning use on merchandise.</p>
<p>Matt I.<br />
speaking only for me</p>
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		<title>L&#8217;Image de Rose</title>
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Good evening. My name is Rose, and I am speaking tonight for the Progressive Resource/Action Cooperative, co-sponsors of the first National Conference on the Elimination of Racist Mascots. A few years back, I would have been arguing on the side of the College Republicans and the Orange and Blue Observer. [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Good evening. My name is Rose, and I am speaking tonight for the Progressive Resource/Action Cooperative, co-sponsors of the first National Conference on the Elimination of Racist Mascots. A few years back, I would have been arguing on the side of the College Republicans and the Orange and Blue Observer. This is my third year here, but because both my parents, my brother, and most of my dad&#8217;s side of the family is alum, &#8220;Chief&#8221; has been part of my life since I was old enough to go to the football games and pick out my own &#8220;Chief&#8221; t-shirt from the old IUB. During my first year, however, I participated in the Alternative Spring Break program&#8217;s Cultural Education trip to the Ojibwa reservation in Lac Du Flambeau, WI. Pro- &#8220;Chief&#8221; students stress that &#8220;Chief&#8221; is an expert on Native culture because he visits an undisclosed reservation. Well, that must make Sanji and I experts, too, although I don&#8217;t think either of us would accept that title.</p>
<p>Our BOT defends &#8220;Chief&#8221; by claiming that it honors the Native Americans that it in no way attempts to represent. Dr. Ostrovsky listed the international and national American Indian organizations and tribes who insist that &#8220;Chief&#8221; is a slap in their face. Is &#8220;Chief&#8221; consistent with how mainstream America honors people? Don&#8217;t we normally build a monument, a bridge, an airport or name a national park or a scholarship fund after someone? I saw some Republicans on CNN the other night. They were collecting money to build a monument to President Reagan in each state. Why do I think that these guys would find the state of Illinois&#8217; interpretation of honor-to run a non-Caucasian man in white make-up and a Hollywood costume out on our football field to recreate the Reagan presidency in dance-completely dishonorable and unacceptable? This symbol wouldn&#8217;t honor Reagan anymore than it would educate us, remind us of the history of the Reagan presidency that we would otherwise forget.</p>
<p>The BOT argues that &#8220;Chief&#8221; is tradition. But, there are other traditions which should guide our thinking at this time. All people are created equal-equally honorable and equally dishonorable. Equal opportunity for an equal education. Ask yourself if you would be here, a student senator at the U of I, if a stereotyped image of your religious leader was sold on butt warmers and underwear, decorating porto-johns and porn stores? Would you feel comfortable learning on this campus? Would you even have been admitted if you differed from the image the school promotes? Can you understand why many Native students choose not to come or stay here? Can you understand why we must discontinue the use of &#8220;Chief?&#8221; </p>
<p style="text-align: right">Rose Somebody-or-other,<br />
<em>From a speech delivered before Champaign-Urbana Senate Caucus</em><br />
via NASF-L</p>
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<p>So the Senate voted overwhelmingly in support of a resolution to retire Chief Illiniwek. I was very pleased at this news, but I think all us anti-Chief activists understand how we have our work cut out for us in getting students, alumni and community members better aware of the issue. There&#8217;s already the feel of a backlash, people crying out in the editorial pages of the DI in pain over their identification with the school mascot.</p>
<p>And nobody expects that the Board of Trustees will let this measure be approved any time soon.</p>
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